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Contents 1 T Page 2 Home? 3 BB 4 The Boolprop page 5 Sypos? 6 The Sims 1 Project 7 Delete Template 8 That little toolbar under the edit box 9 New Sysop System 10 Simpedia:Salt 11 Just in case you didn't get my MSN message... 12 Maybe 13 Pfft 14 MSN 15 Quit replacing Localsettings.php 16 Un-Dev'd 17 Nice 18 If you want to join the Simpedia News team, post here 19 Hello. Im new and want to edit 20 Oh no! I can't upload! 21 Nopls. 22 Now YOU get a coke! 23 I implore you 24 "Possible abusal of rights"? 25 Rights Approval 26 WELCOME BACK!!! 27 On a more serious note 28 I've got a file which I wish to upload! 29 WB

[comment on this] T Page

I edited it to be nicer, lol! Nathan | Talk | Email | 20:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Home?

Do you live near Wakefield? Nathan 10:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope :P -ed (talk) (email) 14:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hehe! Me and a mate were wondering, cause he has a cousin who finishes school at 2pm too! It's like really annoying lol! Nathan | Talk | Email | 15:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] BB

FANTASTIC!

We're all ready to go! Though Sam said he'd do footage... We need him now ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email| 22:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] The Boolprop page

I had originally intended it include info on all the boolprop cheats, hence its original name. Why did you change that? User:Supuhstar/sig

"The Boolprop Cheat" usually refers to the "Testing Cheats" cheat, which is just one cheat. The reason Cheat:Contents/boolprop redirs there is that TestingCheats was the page the red referred to. We could make a Cheat:Boolprop page for Boolprops in general.

Good. When can I start, or is there someone else willing to do it?User:Supuhstar/sig

You can start... now. In fact you can start pretty much anything, whenever you like. You're a sysop, remember :P--EdK (talk) (email) 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Great! I will start as soon as I can get to my home computer.User:Supuhstar/sig

[comment on this] Sypos?

I don't know how to spell it, lmfao-- but I deffinatley will take you up on that offer. If there is any exact rules to it, let me know, and thanks again. :-) --Cowplant 19:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] The Sims 1 Project

I feel that the sims 1 project is a major thing seeing as how all the articles made so far are sims 2 related, so I think it should have some spot on the front page so people can see it all the time, and not just today. If you don't mind. :-) --Cowplant 22:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, is there a page about it though? --EdK (talk) (email) 22:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Do we need a page? I figured you could just use the desc. I put in the site news section. I could make an article on it I suppose. --Cowplant 22:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes please. --EdK (talk) (email) 23:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Delete Template

Nice idea. What sort of pages would we consider and who would check up? ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] That little toolbar under the edit box

It just doesn't have enough! Ours has

Insert: – — … − × ÷ ← → · § Sign your username: ~~~~

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While Wikipedia has

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Symbols: ~ | ¡ ¿ † ‡ ↔ ↑ ↓ • ¶ # ¹ ² ³ ½ ⅓ ⅔ ¼ ¾ ⅛ ⅜ ⅝ ⅞ ∞ ‘ “ ’ ” ¤ ₳ ฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ ₢ $ ₫ ₯ € ₠ ₣ ƒ ₴ ₭ ₤ ℳ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₰ £ ៛ ₨ ₪ ৳ ₮ ₩ ¥ ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦

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Greek: Ά ά Έ έ Ή ή Ί ί Ό ό Ύ ύ Ώ ώ Α α Β β Γ γ Δ δ Ε ε Ζ ζ Η η Θ θ Ι ι Κ κ Λ λ Μ μ Ν ν Ξ ξ Ο ο Π π Ρ ρ Σ σ ς Τ τ Υ υ Φ φ Χ χ Ψ ψ Ω ω • {{Polytonic|}} • (polytonic list)

Cyrillic: А а Б б В в Г г Ґ ґ Ѓ ѓ Д д Ђ ђ Е е Ё ё Є є Ж ж З з Ѕ ѕ И и І і Ї ї Й й Ј ј К к Ќ ќ Л л Љ љ М м Н н Њ њ О о П п Р р С с Т т Ћ ћ У у Ў ў Ф ф Х х Ц ц Ч ч Џ џ Ш ш Щ щ Ъ ъ Ы ы Ь ь Э э Ю ю Я я

IPA: t̪ d̪ ʈ ɖ ɟ ɡ ɢ ʡ ʔ ɸ ʃ ʒ ɕ ʑ ʂ ʐ ʝ ɣ ʁ ʕ ʜ ʢ ɦ ɱ ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ ʋ ɹ ɻ ɰ ʙ ʀ ɾ ɽ ɫ ɬ ɮ ɺ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɥ ʍ ɧ ɓ ɗ ʄ ɠ ʛ ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ ɨ ʉ ɯ ɪ ʏ ʊ ɘ ɵ ɤ ə ɚ ɛ ɜ ɝ ɞ ʌ ɔ ɐ ɶ ɑ ɒ ʰ ʷ ʲ ˠ ˤ ⁿ ˡ ˈ ˌ ː ˑ ̪ • {{IPA|}}

I just get the feeling that we could have more. Not as much, per say, just... more!

• Also, a ~~~ next to the ~~~~ of Sign your userame: would be nice.User:Supuhstar/sig

Can't you post some of this on my talk page? After all, I'm the one who actually does most of it, and I don't have enough messages on my talk page :(... I'll work on the edit tools but we don't need international characters, and they make up most of that toolbox. --EdK (talk) (email) 08:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Supuhstar, I copied the toolbar from Wikipedia then removed all the things I thought we didn't need. If there's any tools you use a lot or particularly want, feel free to tell me, but we're not having the amount Wikipedia has, it's insane.
Ed, my talk page was the right place to post it, since I created the toolbar.
Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email | 15:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sam, my talk page was the right place to post it, since I answered alot faster than you did. --EdK (talk) (email) 16:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Pfft. Be nice, I was at school. --Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email | 16:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I crossed filtered through and left the ones I particularly want:

How's that?User:Supuhstar/sig

I'll add them when I get a spare moment. --EdK (talk) (email) 19:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this is better:

¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 19:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Why on earth would we need all those characters? The only non standard character I can see us using is the Simolean sign, which you'll notice I included in the original toolbar. I also included all the bits of WikiML I personally use most often and take longest to type, under the assumption that other people would have the same problems. The amount of times you're going to need to use a Å or Ÿ in a page on Simpedia, it would be simpler just to use your own Character Map. Supuhstar's list is a little more sensible, but to be honest I think what we have is enough. Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email | 19:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

For once, I side with Sam over Nathan.—Supuhstar*

[comment on this] New Sysop System

We've recently implemented a new system, whereby all Sysops have to present an Sysopship request, which will then be reviewed by the community and finally the developers. Since this applies to both old and new sysops, if you wish to continue your post you must submit your application within the next week. Please read Simpedia:Sysop for more information. Thanks, Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email | 17:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC) (relayed by User:Supuhstar/sig)

I am a developer. And, for that matter, not a sysop. --EdK (talk) (email) 14:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Supuhstar, I'd like to feel that I post my own comments, if that's OK by you. Thanks, Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email | 15:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry.—Supuhstar*

Ed won't need to reapply lol. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 20:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Simpedia:Salt

Why? —Supuhstar*

So that a page can be rendered uncreatable - if repeatedly spammed, add it. --EdK (talk) (email) 07:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

What exactly does "uncreatable" mean?—Supuhstar*

It means users who cannot change protected pages can't recreate those pages. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 20:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Quite. --EdK (talk) (email) 20:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Just in case you didn't get my MSN message...

I've updated the site to MediaWiki 1.11 just so you know. By the way, can I have the the Lockdb right please? I could have done with it while I was upgrading. And how do you make that dinky little "updating" thing come up on the main page? Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    19:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Maybe

I would need to do extensive testing with Wiki, which I would If needed, before making Wiki stuff. I am very committed to learning new program languages. -Baldwin- | Talk | Email | 23:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC) All Depends on you

I think I missed something... hm... --EdK (talk) (email) 14:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Pfft

Stop editing pages i'm trying to modify. =P. Sorry I reverted a couple of your edits I figured mine were more important =). Btw did you check out my user page? Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    19:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I could say the same... what you did to {{delete}} is using it for a purpose other than its intended one... You can't tag something anonymously, it just doesn't work, and transclusion is bad because the tag shouldn't be modified anyway. --EdK (talk) (email) 19:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] MSN

You may add me at baldwinc47@hotmail.com -Baldwin- | Talk | Email |

I'm posting this on most Sysadmins -Baldwin- | Talk | Email | 00:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Quit replacing Localsettings.php

I make regular edits to it, and your replacing it doesn't really help much at all. And I don't really care that you track all the changes - it's my site primarily, and I say, make backups, and make a note of any changes you make, or else get a SharePoint server. Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    19:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't track the changes on that one anyway. I last replaced it because you corrupted the file AGAIN. --EdK (talk) (email) 20:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well ffs stop replacing it - every time you replace it it re-enables ImageMagick which messes up every single page on the entire site that contains a resized image. :D Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    21:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC) P.S. How did I corrupt it? Sorry... I used notepad again I think. I have php-dev now, I will use that. Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    21:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Un-Dev'd

Did u see what he said to me?! No? I didn't think so. It was not an inappropriate ban at all. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 22:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did. You can't block someone for saying something like that. I'm editing from school, but will sign in to give you Dev back if you're not gonna block him again. --85.12.68.1 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I won't. Also editing from school lol! Please re-dev me as soon as u get home or whenever. 80.176.6.137 12:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-dev'd. Not re sysopped because dev conveys all those powers. --EdK (talk) (email) 14:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 15:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Nice

Thanks for all your recent work. I'd give u a can of coke but you've already got 2. I gotta go now, i'm so tired! ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 20:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You can give me more coke. I always need more coke :P --EdK (talk) (email) 20:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Well duh! Can you write a help page or a tute on how to give it?! ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | Email | 07:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

{{coke}} Look at the template.

[comment on this] If you want to join the Simpedia News team, post here

• I want to join.—Supuhstar*

  Sure. A posting form will appear at the bottom of many blog pages - please don't use any tag but "Site" or "Sim". If by some chance you want to put ";;;!hidden" in your post, don't or it will disappear. --EdK (talk) (email) 10:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

  • LOL. Sue. Will do.—Supuhstar*
• I want to join it! Weee Also You should put that the Bon Voyage Patch has been released! -Baldwin- | Talk | Email | 02:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  Sure. Visit Special:wBlog/tag:Sim to post stuff --EdK (email) 05:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, can I join the Simpedia news Team?  :-) -Faris94

  Sure, follow instructions in above comment please because I'm bored of typing it out :P EdK (email) 10:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

How come whatever I post doesn't show up ANYWHERE?!?!—Supuhstar*

[comment on this] Hello. Im new and want to edit

Hi. I used to write the sims 2 wiki but i've given up because no matter how much work i put in the site wasn't getting noticed. Hopefully with this one being mentioned on a site people look at, I might have more luck. Amthysteyes2 08:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Good. We need all the help we can get. Just please don't copy-and-paste from other sites w/o siting resourses. ( 3 —Supuhstar*

Do we have a system for citing? If this is becoming more common we may need one. --EdK (email) 23:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Oh no! I can't upload!

Hello! Id really like to add some totally related pictures to the wiki. It makes it more interesting, I think. But I can't! It keeps having a go at me :( any ideas? It says I haven't added a filename, which is *** because i did.

Incidently, I've stated to add more categories. Is that ok? Amthysteyes2 08:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Somethings up with our server, working on it. --EdK (email) 08:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[comment on this] Nopls.

I'm not angry or anything (=]) but please, don't do anything to the alpha wiki without discussing it. I think the first step ought to be to alert the main contributors from the original Simpedia to the existence of the alpha forum, and assemble a group of users there. Then, we ought to discuss what usergroups we're going to have and who will be in them. Feel free to create a spare database and make a test Wiki if you want, but absolutely nothing is to be done to the actual alpha wiki without discussing it first and nothing is to be discussed before we have people to discuss it with. I understand that you've got extensions etc. which you want to implement, but rememeber that you're not the only one who gets a say in which extensions we use and their coding etc, especially since we'll hopefully have a reasonably sizable team of alpha helper developer admin people. And even you aren't allowed to use the new wiki for testing. Ye be no exception to yer own rules... make sure all your extensions (even ones you didn't code yourself) work perfectly before actually implementing them. --Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    10:57, 18 February 2008 (CET)

I told you, I used old code in the config =) I can write some more if you like, but I'd rather concentrate on making the site work first. EdK (email) 16:14, 18 February 2008 (CET)

The point of making a new site is not to use old code. And MediaWiki does work. Just not quite how we want it to. Which is why we need to discuss how we want it to work and what we want it to do. With other people. So let's delete the Dev Wiki and work first of all (like I said above) on getting together a team of founders to form a discussion group. And by the way, abuse of the renameuser right (which shouldn't even exist, since you didn't propose the addition of the extension [let alone the actual Wiki] on the alpha forum). Like I said, I'm not angry (since it can all be undone quite easily), but please, do this one simple thing I'm asking? I know it's kind of annoying having to get approval for every single extension or change to the Wiki, but it's for the best (and on sites like Wikpedia it's taken for granted that things like the Main Page or the extensions will not be changed without considerable discussion and input from a panel of users. Oh and by the way, if you could code a plugin for some text editor (or even a standalone new editor) which logged all changes to localsettings etc. to a database on Simpedia via PHP (muchly similar to the history features in MW) I would consider you a God above all Gods. Except that you would be the only God. Since I don't believe in any others. Ah well. Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    18:00, 18 February 2008 (CET)

I used old code because you said new users wouldn't be able to edit, so instead of rolling out some more code I just copied the old lot. When I've finished everything else I'm doing, I'll write some more. If it helps, think of that as a private alpha (alpha stuff is usually private) and the "Redesign" wiki as a beta. EdK (email) 18:20, 18 February 2008 (CET)

I already said, I'm fine with the idea of alpha users (i.e. you and me). But since you've disabled account creation anyway, I don't see that we need an alpha usergroup. Anyway, the bit I have a problem with is the other usergroups you've made. Partly becuase I want to know exactly which rights each usergroup has, but mainly because the usergroups, just like everything else, need to be discussed with everyone. Anyhow, let's get a fresh install on the Dev Wiki, and the ONLY thing you may do to it is to create an Administrator account (username Administrator, password the main Simpedia password [you know it], email administrator@simpedia.co.uk) and an account for yourself, called either Ed or EdK, and then disable account creation and editing by unregistered users ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; and $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;). There be no need for any "old code", since it did things which we currently don't need to do. And if we ever do need to do them (which I confess is likely), we will discuss it thoroughly on the alpha forum beforehand. OK? Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    19:12, 18 February 2008 (CET)

I'd like to apologise for my behaviour and comments - I've been over-controlling, bossy, demanding, and just plain rude. My requests were unreasonable and my comments un-thought-through. So, I take back everything that I said, and I'm about to head over to the development forum and post a new topic outlining my requests and ideas for the new site (which, like everyone else's comments, will be merely suggestions this time, and not demands. I will merely be a chairman, deciding which ideas have received the most favourable responses and helping you and anybody else who wishes to help and seems to be a reasonable sane and sensible person to implement them into the site), but I'll quickly outline some of the main things I would want out of the new site and the development process:

• A rethink of the usergroups and access structure
• An entirely new set of namespaces
• Managed projects and plans even while the site is in use
• Better organisation by the developers so that they are easily reachable by email and other channels and site issues are responded to rapidly and helpfully
• More betterer planning and discussion before anything actually gets implemented into the site, and possibly even a test Wiki so that we can test our ideas and then demonstrate them to other people before implementing them into the main site.

I'll expand more on all of this in my post, but remember that this time they're only ideas - feel free to contradict them; you run this site just as much as I do and I have absolutely no right to tell you how to do it.

Again, I'm really sorry - I messed up. Sam "The Boss" | Talk | Email    12:46, 20 February 2008 (CET)

Tis OK, I'm sorry too, nice ideas on the forum by the way. EdK (email) 17:52, 20 February 2008 (CET)

[comment on this] Now YOU get a coke!

For helping me in all the times that Nathan banned me.

Well that's gay. ńăŧħăń - ŧĕẍŧ 02:31, 19 March 2008 (CET)

[comment on this] I implore you

Check the recent changes for March 18 and 19. I want you to see what Nathan did —Supuhstar* 03:18, 19 March 2008 (CET)

Checked. Nathan needs to grow up IMO. EdK (email)

[comment on this] "Possible abusal of rights"?

I don't know what you mean. What have I done? —Supuhstar* 23:33, 19 March 2008 (CET)

[comment on this] Rights Approval

Please may I have all my rights returned as it's hard to revamp Simpedia without them. ńăŧħăń - ŧăłķ 02:37, 16 June 2008 (CEST)

Have you got them back yet? If not, yes. -EdK (email) 19:09, 26 July 2008 (CEST)

[comment on this] WELCOME BACK!!!

OMG!!! I can't TELL ou how happy I am that you're back!!! Oh, I have SO much to catch up on! :P I so happy! YAY

SIMPEDIA IS IN IT'S GLORY DAYS ONCE AGAIN!!!—Supuhstar* 04:14, 16 June 2008 (CEST)

[comment on this] On a more serious note

I would like to request the honor of being a Founder. I realize that this doesn't give me any other powers, but I am the highest high-contribution user on the site, with an average of 11.4 edits per day, and a grand total of 4,751 contributions to date, which is the highest number out of all users as per my research, as well as the fact that when I got here, the BB project had just started and we hardly had anything. Since then, I have created nearly countless pages (but I'm sure one of you has a way of counting it) and have been a key factor in many of the site's most visible changes (logo, colors, etc.). I formally declare that this is an official statement and I am making it with a sound mind and benign intent. —Supuhstar* 04:47, 26 June 2008 (CEST)

I think "Founder" is for people who were there when the site started, but I'll talk to Sam about that. (I'll give you the benfit of the doubt for now since you could argue the site hadn't really started then.) As for new pages by you, Im checking the database. This isn't really very accurate but you've made at least 342 new pages. The reason I can't tell you exactly is, pretty much, that MySQL is rubbish, and I could use some PHP but I don't have the time... -EdK (email) 19:08, 26 July 2008 (CEST)

Oops, my bad, you already are one.

[comment on this] I've got a file which I wish to upload!

It is a floor (a .flr file) for TS1 which looks looks like this: The file is 12.5 KB.

Can you host it please? Thanks. Goldpearl 22:58, 28 July 2008 (CEST)

Yes, if you upload it somewhere and give me a link :) EdK (email) 20:05, 3 August 2008 (CEST)

[comment on this] WB

WB! Can't wait to get cracking for TS3 now... 212.159.3.235 22:52, 31 August 2008 (CEST)

Who might you be? :P EdK (email) 00:28, 3 September 2008 (CEST)

Nathan. :P—Supuhstar* 21:30, 5 September 2008 (CEST)

Erm - Ed; I want to help on the new Wiki cause Sam doesn't really give a fuck. How can I help, and can we please get this running. TS3 is out in Feb/March 09. ńăŧħăń - ŧăłķ 17:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. Sam's applying for Oxford which doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't give a fuck. It may just be he's too busy. I'll have to ask him. -EdK (email) 16:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)